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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

As others have said, I would prefer a one-time purchase, and for the personal tier that is perfect. This would include the application and support via Discord/email.

For the commercial tiers it would be more complicated. I think a one-time fee that includes like 1 year of support, updates, and access to the filament library. Then people can have an option to subscribe for continued access to support, new features and the filament library. I added support here because commercial users would most likely need support more often than a personal user.

As for me, I would most likely go for option 5. Oh, and I don't like the "Engaged User" name. Maybe just Personal, Commercial, Pro. :)

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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

No subscription please. I'd like to pay for the software once. You could even do something for a low cost non commercial use, and a more expensive commercial license.

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May 31, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I'd love to see the STLs I create, so I'll go for the All-In option 🤘🤘

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May 31, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

8. All the way, I would happily pay $350 up front for lifetime commercial use. It may take a year to iron out the kinks and two years for me to really unlock the potential for a commercial niche. And with continuing app updates I know I will be able to install it on a more powerful computer in 2 years. It really would be an honor to be in on the ground floor of this. ❤️❤️❤️❤️💯🙏.

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May 27, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

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May 25, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I would first apply for the personal one, because of trying to figure out what it can do for me.

When it produces sellable products i mighty consider a commercial lifetime license. Very hard to give an estimate on that before actual testing it.

It's always clever to give a long period of demo, so people can get hooked, especially with complex software.

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I would prefer option 5.

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Personally I’ll probably do commercial. Though I have a question. I get charging for selling prints but why an extra fee to sell the files created from my photos? Just seems like if you made a 3d file sliced it and prusa slicer allows you to sell the 3d print but not the sliced file cause they sliced it but it’s your design. Maybe I’m thinking of it wrong. But I’m 100% in on any of it tbh. Sell or not sell. This looks like the future.

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May 21, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I would chose 3 to start with, play around and see if there is enough interest in items produced that way, then definitely migrate to a Pro/Commercial licence in that case.

I hate subscription based software, however, it's totally understandable that you need some peace of mind in order to keep improving the tool while we want to have updates.

Ideally I'd prefer a one time payment, though I'd be okay paying under $100/year.

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May 20, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

One time purchase is best for us but worst for you :). If you go for a subscription model it could also be a higher upfront price and a subsequent "maintenance fee" to keep getting updates if wanted. I personally would buy a personal tier for now

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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I would like a one-time lifetime price for personal use with all updates, etc. with the option of paying monthly for the Commercial and Pro. If the subscriber ends the monthly subscription, they would still have access for personal use.

I like how Lujie Chen from LuBan: Make it Big deals with subscriptions and lifetime purchases.: https://www.luban3d.com/license

While any stl his program creates can be used personally or commercially, I don't expect that from everyone so a commercial plan works for me.

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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I would buy 3 to start. If I found people interested in designs and I can make enough selling then the yearly option to sell prints with no subscription

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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

I'd prefer a lifetime price, other than that, option 5 looks like a fit for me

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May 19, 2023·edited May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

Option 1 & 5. I too am not a fan of subscription services and there are so many out there that I would just as soon not support it at all if there are only subscription options. Since you’re offering an introductory rate a one time purchase for commercial use for the first month purchases would probably help you really get initial financial support.

Maybe even adding the option for the personal use to add commercial later. I’m not selling right now but might in like a year, but I want to support you and your efforts now.

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May 19, 2023Liked by Horn & Rhode

Only option 3 and maybe 5 as I hate subscription services. A demo would be useful. Also an option to upgrade to other levels later on.

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Hmm, this is tricky. I'm just gonna say what I would like. And keep in mind I'm a pretty direct person and mean no ill will in the way I talk - I want to help but also keep it straight since it's an important business decision for you and all of us here.

First of all, I don't sell my stuff. I print for fun and gifts, so I'm the typical personal user. I also don't like subscriptions just to access the program or basic functionalities of a program (which is just a hidden forced sub, let's be real). So point 3.

But I'd like to have the option for a commercial licence in the future in case I change my mind. The issue with that is - you can do it two ways, either a one payment like for the personal licence or a sub like you propose. A business can afford a sub for a commercial licence, which I talk about later, so I'll skip this for now. Now, the issue I have with the current offering is - I do not sell my stuff, so I don't care for this licence atm. However, I very much care about the library access and early features. For that, I'd pay. But whether it makes business sense to split this tier into "library access for personal users only" and "commercial licence with library access" - I don't know. I do know, however, that I'd prefer this to be split like that. I'd also prefer the personal library to be a one time purchase as well. Let's be real, this library is probably going to be expanded with new profiles by other users more than you. I don't see enough value to require a sub for the access, but I get why this might be a necessity to keep the development viable finantially. So I'd probably still pay for it even if it was a sub. This follows with a different issue tho:

Providing our filament profiles for the library that's paywalled with a sub should give us benefits - free access for a month or something else, idk tbh. Otherwise no one will help you with that, since you'd be taking other people's work and still expect them to pay for the monthly access to that work. It wouldn't be right and would actually make your life harder - people would just upload them for free on Printables and other people would download them instead of paying you - out of spite. It'd also make the library tier way less attractive and not worth the price, since you'd have to expand it yourself and it will take some time and effort. Why not delegate that work to the users that already do these profiles for themselves and reward them for this? Something to keep in mind. I will say outright - I'd be more than happy to make profiles for ALL my filament collection just to share them with you, even if I don't use them for myself, but if the library is locked by a sub - I will only do so if I get something out of it. Otherside I'd just feel scammed in a way. I still think a flat fee is better because of all this mess.

I still don't like subs, but I understand why it might be a necessity for you. I don't know you and you're just starting out with HueForge, so I have no reason to trust it will stay and be supported for the entirety of the yearly sub - it will change once some time passes, but not at the start. Therefore, I guess I'd go for 4. instead of 3. after all, assuming the library access stays as a sub (otherwise I'd just buy both 3. and personal library access and use the monthly pay as a Patreon kinda support). But in the future? I'd definitely pay for a yearly access instead of monthly - so 5.

As for the commercial licence with library access, assuming you split that tier ofc - yeah, this can stay as a sub. A business is going to pay for this tier with their first sale of the month. It became a common practise to offer commercial licences as a sub anyway. They can manage.

I would also be very interested in a lifetime license as long as it also comes with all sub benefits. Otherwise it's just not worth it. A personal licence also gives permament access with updates, so the only other potential customers would be:

1. Those that want sub benefits permanently because they hate subs.

2. Business owners that want a permanent commercial licence - but they're a business and let's be real, they're gonna need the library to efficiently do business. If a lifetime licence doesn't provide that, then they have no reason to buy it - they'll still need to buy the sub to access the library, but it already includes the licence, making the lifetime one obsolete.

Both those customer groups require the sub benefits to be a part of the lifetime deal - otherwise it's just not worth it.

I think that's all. I'll try to give it some more thought later, but I think I said everything I wanted to. I can't wait to get this program in my hands!

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